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Old 07-24-2009, 01:51 PM
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Default THP Offices and this website access

#-A INPUT -s 96.245.2.22 -j DROP
#-A INPUT -s 151.151.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j DROP

To those technical, you may understand what those lines are.

To you that don't, these IP addresses have been reenabled to allow for access to the site.

I caught wind from an EX THP employee that the current staff has been told that THP, not me blocked access to the site.

Perhaps that is true now, but a short while after Mr. Wertz (weeks back) used this site to jump on a grenade of sorts, I closed access to their office network and the abstract based network. To expose threads waiting and deserving of answers, I enabled it from time to time hoping for input and advice as Mr. Wertz had recently posted on a thread. All of these details can be determined by any user of this site based solely on the public posts contained within and those that Mr. Wertz posted himself.

Frustrated, I sat as I and others have many, many, many unanswered questions and these questions remain unanswered today. Even after begging for attention to be paid to them, they went unanswered.

Fine - the site is in the public... Many, many different walks of life are able to get information from it. But, please, use it to the help advance along the idea that everyone gets what they need and deserve out of all this.

Either way, access has been restored.
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TH Properties apparently has "left its debt behind" while STILL in bankruptcy Chapter 11?

See :
http://www.wheresbuilder.com/THP-Marketing-Flyer-Davidson-New-Homes.pdf


I am "Unfairly Burdened" with liens due to THP's inabilities to pay their bills :

~2k - B&F Insulation - A Masco Company
~11k - ServiceMark - A UGI HVAC D/B/A

I'm still waiting, THP :

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...rts&id=6845195

"We are working diligently with vendors and lenders to develop a restructuring plan that includes an agreement by the mechanics lien holders to release liens against completed homes. Our discussions have been encouraging, and we intend to see that all legal action is taken to ensure that no homeowner is unfairly burdened by these liens. We continue to specifically address this issue in our discussions. Our goal is to reach the best possible outcome for all parties as soon as possible."

Note : I am not a lawyer. Any information received from a post is just that - information. It is not legal advice.

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Old 07-24-2009, 02:44 PM
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So they blocked you from their website, and you blocked them from this website?

Here is the thing that bothers me the most about THP. They claim they want to continue building and right the ship, but why won't they make themselves available to the hundreds of people they screwed?

Common sense says..you make yourself visible and address those people who lives you're ruining. Common sense says you TRY and restore your name and give people some hope.

How does THP think they can continue, when their name is MUD right now?

How hard would it be for one of the Hendricks to join this website, to keep us updated personally?

THP are BAD business people...TERRIBLE!

Until every single home owner gets their money back or home finished, and every sub-contractor gets paid..their name will always be MUD to me. I will make sure to tell everyone who will listen, my FACTUAL experience with them.

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Old 07-24-2009, 02:46 PM
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Hell, it's been said before and I'll say it again. They are a complete bunch of rubes for failing to see how this site could actually HELP them. Lose the swagger and arrogance and think.

Is it really that difficult to figure this out?
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Default I blocked.

I orginally blocked THP out of frustration that they continue to use the site for their gain, but not to move things forward for everyone as put forth in the post from Mr. Wertz.

If you're going to use it, and despise it all at the same time, at least make it useful for all parties.

And I was the one that blocked it.

I was told that it was communicated out that THP had done the blocking....

Shrug.

I can only put forth the information that I know. I also know that there are ... new visitors ... to the site. Almost immediately after re enabling access.
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TH Properties apparently has "left its debt behind" while STILL in bankruptcy Chapter 11?

See :
http://www.wheresbuilder.com/THP-Marketing-Flyer-Davidson-New-Homes.pdf


I am "Unfairly Burdened" with liens due to THP's inabilities to pay their bills :

~2k - B&F Insulation - A Masco Company
~11k - ServiceMark - A UGI HVAC D/B/A

I'm still waiting, THP :

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...rts&id=6845195

"We are working diligently with vendors and lenders to develop a restructuring plan that includes an agreement by the mechanics lien holders to release liens against completed homes. Our discussions have been encouraging, and we intend to see that all legal action is taken to ensure that no homeowner is unfairly burdened by these liens. We continue to specifically address this issue in our discussions. Our goal is to reach the best possible outcome for all parties as soon as possible."

Note : I am not a lawyer. Any information received from a post is just that - information. It is not legal advice.
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Old 07-24-2009, 03:36 PM
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Default Another point of interest

It seems that some people want me to have this ... feud between myself and the Hendrick's. Or they assume it's there.

For myself, and I'm only talking for myself... I really don't care. There are enough people out there that are concerned with the final outcome in that regard. I don't need to worry myself to that level.

I always have and always do speak of THP the business.

To me, I am interested in seeing my house and community completed as contracted and sold.

Plain and simple.

I could only imagine how this blockage, initiated by myself, out of pure frustration, was relayed to the current employees.
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TH Properties apparently has "left its debt behind" while STILL in bankruptcy Chapter 11?

See :
http://www.wheresbuilder.com/THP-Marketing-Flyer-Davidson-New-Homes.pdf


I am "Unfairly Burdened" with liens due to THP's inabilities to pay their bills :

~2k - B&F Insulation - A Masco Company
~11k - ServiceMark - A UGI HVAC D/B/A

I'm still waiting, THP :

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...rts&id=6845195

"We are working diligently with vendors and lenders to develop a restructuring plan that includes an agreement by the mechanics lien holders to release liens against completed homes. Our discussions have been encouraging, and we intend to see that all legal action is taken to ensure that no homeowner is unfairly burdened by these liens. We continue to specifically address this issue in our discussions. Our goal is to reach the best possible outcome for all parties as soon as possible."

Note : I am not a lawyer. Any information received from a post is just that - information. It is not legal advice.
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:58 PM
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Default So I closed access again.

I'm just getting really sick of looking at my incomplete home and neighborhood ... all the while being told by the THP employees that they have full intention to complete others surrounding my home, but not mine to my wife... So, I decided to close up access again.

So... after a long day of carting the family around.. Rushing back to the office (which I now need to make up time for)....

EX THP'er (http://www.wheresbuilder.com/forum/s...searchid=14439) logs in from a different address to view the pin.

Cmon.

Really?

Why!?

You can see what it says right from the thumbnail.

Isn't there more important things that can be accomplished during the day?

Just finish everything that is contractually owed, and there is no need for all of this. There would even be little use for this site as a whole!

Or just communicate out a message!@(((!*@!)(

And there is concern or wonder why so many have collected here?! There's no where else to go!!!

Pay the people that have liens on my house - just like your message on your website says.

Finish all the incomplete items on my home - just like your message on your website says.

Do walk throughs. Do service calls. Initiate service requests or whatever it was called when it was passed back to the sub.

Finish the community.

Finish other's houses..

COME UP WITH *ONE* PLAN TO SATISFY EVERYONE.

If there was, there would be no reason for people to take time off from their daily lives and jobs just to schlep down to bankruptcy court!@(#@(#@( And people could maybe again sing praises of THP perhaps?!

I really don't get it anymore.

Customers made whole make happy customers.

(EDIT : I reopened it. If the time is going to be taken to circumvent it, I might as well make it convenient so more time isn't spent doing so)
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TH Properties apparently has "left its debt behind" while STILL in bankruptcy Chapter 11?

See :
http://www.wheresbuilder.com/THP-Marketing-Flyer-Davidson-New-Homes.pdf


I am "Unfairly Burdened" with liens due to THP's inabilities to pay their bills :

~2k - B&F Insulation - A Masco Company
~11k - ServiceMark - A UGI HVAC D/B/A

I'm still waiting, THP :

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...rts&id=6845195

"We are working diligently with vendors and lenders to develop a restructuring plan that includes an agreement by the mechanics lien holders to release liens against completed homes. Our discussions have been encouraging, and we intend to see that all legal action is taken to ensure that no homeowner is unfairly burdened by these liens. We continue to specifically address this issue in our discussions. Our goal is to reach the best possible outcome for all parties as soon as possible."

Note : I am not a lawyer. Any information received from a post is just that - information. It is not legal advice.

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why let them.

Shouldn't they be doing something more productive with there time at work. Like gee i don't know hummmmmm lets see getting some answers!!!!!! When i ask a question and get an answer of " I don't know " perhaps you should find out and call me the hell back.
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why let them.

Shouldn't they be doing something more productive with there time at work. Like gee i don't know hummmmmm lets see getting some answers!!!!!! When i ask a question and get an answer of " I don't know " perhaps you should find out and call me the hell back.
Because they keep coming back.

So, I figure if they are going to keep getting on here during the day to check up on the customers that they are apparently keeping in the loop....

You can't really block anyone completely.. There's always ways around. I was just focused on a few network segments.

I guess it's most ridiculous to me that there is a need to circumvent it when it is in place to keep tabs on what is going on here.

DO THE RIGHT THING AND MAKE A PLAN TO SATISFY *EVERYONE* and EXECUTE. Then, this website becomes my long term vision which will have nothing to do with THP.

It's so wild that that is so hard.

Finish the homes. Old and new.
Take care of the deposit / escrow issues and liens.
Give EVERYONE the same warranty and service.

That's the top 3.

I did the research over the past four months, TH(P). We've had plenty of time to come up with that list.
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TH Properties apparently has "left its debt behind" while STILL in bankruptcy Chapter 11?

See :
http://www.wheresbuilder.com/THP-Marketing-Flyer-Davidson-New-Homes.pdf


I am "Unfairly Burdened" with liens due to THP's inabilities to pay their bills :

~2k - B&F Insulation - A Masco Company
~11k - ServiceMark - A UGI HVAC D/B/A

I'm still waiting, THP :

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...rts&id=6845195

"We are working diligently with vendors and lenders to develop a restructuring plan that includes an agreement by the mechanics lien holders to release liens against completed homes. Our discussions have been encouraging, and we intend to see that all legal action is taken to ensure that no homeowner is unfairly burdened by these liens. We continue to specifically address this issue in our discussions. Our goal is to reach the best possible outcome for all parties as soon as possible."

Note : I am not a lawyer. Any information received from a post is just that - information. It is not legal advice.
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For $2500 a week for Tim and Todd, one would think they would be doing more than surfing the wheresbuilder webpage! 4 months have come and gone and they are still no further than they were when they shut down, and they have given no certainty to anyone who is part of their situation.
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Default Fun facts for a Friday.

Over the past four days of September, THP's office alone (not including Hendrick's Abstract) has hit (IE : web page request "hit") the site :

2,390 times.

Could you maybe at least check out an ad or two and help pay for some of the same information that you are coming in to check on yourselves?

I've said it a million times.

I want what I paid for :

A complete, lien free, with service and warranty - as contracted (!!!) home in the community vision that I bought into.

The quicker that happens, the sooner this becomes nothing more than a generic FAQ for the world to learn from the hell that we have all been put through.
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TH Properties apparently has "left its debt behind" while STILL in bankruptcy Chapter 11?

See :
http://www.wheresbuilder.com/THP-Marketing-Flyer-Davidson-New-Homes.pdf


I am "Unfairly Burdened" with liens due to THP's inabilities to pay their bills :

~2k - B&F Insulation - A Masco Company
~11k - ServiceMark - A UGI HVAC D/B/A

I'm still waiting, THP :

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...rts&id=6845195

"We are working diligently with vendors and lenders to develop a restructuring plan that includes an agreement by the mechanics lien holders to release liens against completed homes. Our discussions have been encouraging, and we intend to see that all legal action is taken to ensure that no homeowner is unfairly burdened by these liens. We continue to specifically address this issue in our discussions. Our goal is to reach the best possible outcome for all parties as soon as possible."

Note : I am not a lawyer. Any information received from a post is just that - information. It is not legal advice.

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