My Recent rants... readers beware

[burnie329]

As some of you know who I am, and others not, please let me introduce myself. My name is Trevor Carlow (177 Stone Hill Dr). If anyone would like to talk in person, please let me know. To those that will hide behind online names and lack of real human contact (or responsibility for what they post) please do not comment to any of my posts, as i only wish to talk to interested people in our community that are willing to stand up, and support their points of view in person as well as online.

If you wish to respond, please post your name and address.

1. If you are not putting your stuff in escrow, and have not sent the HOA a letter you will be chased after, and the HOA is in all legal rights capable to do this.
2. If anyone wants a sustainable HOA today we must take legal action to do so or we must wait for the completion of our Community.
3. Road problems, traffic situations, etc are not a THP or HOA issue, they are township. Fight them. Take real time and in stead of just bitching do something.
4. To those that want to talk about other peoples homes... let it be. There are inspectors involved, and now massive banks. They will do things to ensure it is up to par. And if not... it is the buyers responsibility to hire their own inspector before purchase. Be informed.
5. Anyone thinking about going to possible new purchasers... that is crazy! Do you want things to get completed? Do you want home values to drop? Get real, be smart, and think about how your crappy attitude is going to ruin it for anyone else
6. To those bitching about swingsets, and other crap... please follow the channels you signed up to follow... go to an HOA meeting to complain... oh wait... there aren't any... maybe you should bitch (or organize to take the HOA over) to the HOA (which btw is not THP and is its own seperate entity).
7. Please stop hiding... there are people that due crap all the time... that is what living with neighbors is about. You aren't going to like the decisions of others, and personally you never will. Get over it. Get a life, and please again step up to the plate. If you have a problem, be an adult and do it in person. Put your name on the thread at least! Stop by their house and knock on the door.
8. Some of you complain about children and other issues... you moved into a community, which will have cars, and people partying, etc... do yourself a favor... fix your own yard, and stop worrying about other peoples...

More rants to come!

[crashtc]

Originally Posted by burnie329

As some of you know who I am, and others not, please let me introduce myself. My name is Trevor Carlow (177 Stone Hill Dr). If anyone would like to talk in person, please let me know. To those that will hide behind online names and lack of real human contact (or responsibility for what they post) please do not comment to any of my posts, as i only wish to talk to interested people in our community that are willing to stand up, and support their points of view in person as well as online.

If you wish to respond, please post your name and address.

1. If you are not putting your stuff in escrow, and have not sent the HOA a letter you will be chased after, and the HOA is in all legal rights capable to do this.
2. If anyone wants a sustainable HOA today we must take legal action to do so or we must wait for the completion of our Community.
3. Road problems, traffic situations, etc are not a THP or HOA issue, they are township. Fight them. Take real time and in stead of just bitching do something.
4. To those that want to talk about other peoples homes... let it be. There are inspectors involved, and now massive banks. They will do things to ensure it is up to par. And if not... it is the buyers responsibility to hire their own inspector before purchase. Be informed.
5. Anyone thinking about going to possible new purchasers... that is crazy! Do you want things to get completed? Do you want home values to drop? Get real, be smart, and think about how your crappy attitude is going to ruin it for anyone else
6. To those bitching about swingsets, and other crap... please follow the channels you signed up to follow... go to an HOA meeting to complain... oh wait... there aren't any... maybe you should bitch (or organize to take the HOA over) to the HOA (which btw is not THP and is its own seperate entity).
7. Please stop hiding... there are people that due crap all the time... that is what living with neighbors is about. You aren't going to like the decisions of others, and personally you never will. Get over it. Get a life, and please again step up to the plate. If you have a problem, be an adult and do it in person. Put your name on the thread at least! Stop by their house and knock on the door.
8. Some of you complain about children and other issues... you moved into a community, which will have cars, and people partying, etc... do yourself a favor... fix your own yard, and stop worrying about other peoples...

More rants to come!

Hi - I'm Tracy Nelson - a would have been Barton Ridge owner...but I was able to get out & move on...I still come on here to support those who are stuck in the mire & mud that is THP.

If you are a home owner of a THP house, then you obviously see the issues that lie around you....DON'T YOU?

To say why don't you go to the HOA, or go to the twp, or petition this or that....is a bit of a blind comment. I myself know for a fact that writing to the BBB, or the twp, or the state (NJ & PA), or to THP, or to THP's lawyers, or hiring your OWN lawyer hasn't been working.

THP has been able to skirt a lot of issues because they are covered under "bankruptcy protection".

To say that people need to (in not so many words) get a life, & get out & do something about this...let me just say....this website HELPED me do something, it helped me feel connected to the issues & understand what was happening.

I FIRMLY believe with out this site & the posts...the "clean ups" (& I use that term lightly) wouldn't have happened.
There has ALWAYS been at least 1 person from this site at a major court hearing to speak to a representative of the court, THP, or the state.

We, as lost, scared, and now some are verging on having money left to pour into this struggle....so please bear that in mind.

Also, I was lucky, my money went into Escrow - but some contracts stipulated that it went to THP...don't blame the buyers for that...they didn't write the contracts & to say that well, they should have had a lawyer review it...Hind site is 20/20...you're right they should have but did you? If you did you're 1 step a head of 99% of the people buying houses out there.

Do you have children? Are they old enough to go out & play by themselves? Even if YOUR yard is clean & safe, you can't stop them from wanting to walk down to a friends house past tempting construction sites & by 6' tall weeds that block on coming traffic.

I don't think ANYONE is hiding on here....being the only NJ person I have NO other course of action to get in touch w/ others other than this site...we are all just innocent people that got tossed up into this mess & are trying to make the best of it.

We are all here to make it easier & get this to an end....not trash each other...please try & remember we all are trying to get this to an end & move on.

[burnie329]

If you are a home owner of a THP house, then you obviously see the issues that lie around you....DON'T YOU?

Yes i see issues, but the biggest issue for me is people unwilling to do what is necessary, or unwilling to become educated consumers. The HOA is not THP. The township and state are not THP, there are rules and laws, and most importantly things that should have been done as a consumer.

To say why don't you go to the HOA, or go to the twp, or petition this or that....is a bit of a blind comment. I myself know for a fact that writing to the BBB, or the twp, or the state (NJ & PA), or to THP, or to THP's lawyers, or hiring your OWN lawyer hasn't been working.

So how did you "get out" of your situation? Was it just you or with the help of a lawyer? Seems odd to me that all of your work didn't work if you no longer are in your situation didn't you get what you needed done by WORKING and Taking action?

THP has been able to skirt a lot of issues because they are covered under "bankruptcy protection".

Yes they have, but this is the american law system at it's finest. Nothing you can do to change this except to vote, petition your government, etc... again needs action to help protect consumers and companies in the future! This is a risk of doing business with any company... not just THP

To say that people need to (in not so many words) get a life, & get out & do something about this...let me just say....this website HELPED me do something, it helped me feel connected to the issues & understand what was happening.

Agreed that this site due to the efforts (and work) of some can be helpful. What is not helpful is people that do not understand posting complaints with no action (see the poop thread)... if you have a problem, learn what you can do legally, and do it... just complaining gets you no where...

I FIRMLY believe with out this site & the posts...the "clean ups" (& I use that term lightly) wouldn't have happened.
There has ALWAYS been at least 1 person from this site at a major court hearing to speak to a representative of the court, THP, or the state.

Perhaps, but this is also directly due to the fact that they were allowed to proceed. Perhaps it was the site (highly doubtful) but more over the direct WORK from some people... Again thanks to those that do take action

We, as lost, scared, and now some are verging on having money left to pour into this struggle....so please bear that in mind.

Agreed that as individuals some of us are stuck... my point is that as a group of action taking people, and a single formal way, all have money to contribute (HOA Escrows etc) if focused on the direct problems, and understanding what is responsible by each party. HOA things have nothing to do with THP legally! THP is only responsible for what they have not completed. The townships own small portions... overall it takes time... it has been what less than a year? Some bankruptcy hearings take Years to even get where these are today... nothign will happen quick... nothing will happen without action... and that is part of the US legal system...

Also, I was lucky, my money went into Escrow - but some contracts stipulated that it went to THP...don't blame the buyers for that...they didn't write the contracts & to say that well, they should have had a lawyer review it...Hind site is 20/20...you're right they should have but did you? If you did you're 1 step a head of 99% of the people buying houses out there.

This is exactly my point of being an educated consumer. If you didn't read it, or have a seperate party read it, or your real estate agent didn't tell you it isn't smart to have a different title company do the insurance... or whatever, you should have become educated before making a decision. My same complaint goes to mortage things etc... not just home buying..

Do you have children? Are they old enough to go out & play by themselves? Even if YOUR yard is clean & safe, you can't stop them from wanting to walk down to a friends house past tempting construction sites & by 6' tall weeds that block on coming traffic.

I do not have children. And I understand the concern here... In terms of weeds, cut them down... it doesn't take time... just do it if you are that concerned. In terms of houses being built... sorry but that happens all the time in new construction... perhaps better eduction of the children is needed. What would you do if they were still building good houses? How would you stop them then?

I don't think ANYONE is hiding on here....being the only NJ person I have NO other course of action to get in touch w/ others other than this site...we are all just innocent people that got tossed up into this mess & are trying to make the best of it.

People are hiding, or rather trying to not take the adult approach... go to your neighbors and talk... face to face... if you have a complaint... put your name and address... Agreed we are all innocent... but would also say some are ignorant to the real world, were uneducated in their approaches to the situation, and at least in Coddington View primarly people not willing to take action to get results.

[crashtc]

Originally Posted by burnie329

Yes i see issues, but the biggest issue for me is people unwilling to do what is necessary, or unwilling to become educated consumers. The HOA is not THP. The township and state are not THP, there are rules and laws, and most importantly things that should have been done as a consumer.

So, with out you personally knowing the steps that the people on here have taken off this site, what are the "necessary steps"? You don't know if these things you suggest have been started unless you yourself knock on doors.

Originally Posted by burnie329

So how did you "get out" of your situation? Was it just you or with the help of a lawyer? Seems odd to me that all of your work didn't work if you no longer are in your situation didn't you get what you needed done by WORKING and Taking action?

The only reason I am "Free" is that the banks/THP decided not to build my development. My lawyer & all my letters to the state, etc had no legal impact...

Originally Posted by burnie329

Yes they have, but this is the american law system at it's finest. Nothing you can do to change this except to vote, petition your government, etc... again needs action to help protect consumers and companies in the future! This is a risk of doing business with any company... not just THP

So, while we are trying to change laws...and if you research this site, you will see posts about petitioning your legislature to change laws....we are to what, sit w/ our thumbs up our butts & accept nothing being done?

Originally Posted by burnie329

Agreed that this site due to the efforts (and work) of some can be helpful. What is not helpful is people that do not understand posting complaints with no action (see the poop thread)... if you have a problem, learn what you can do legally, and do it... just complaining gets you no where...

I agree that some posts seem frivolous at times...but when you are so stressed, that marriages & lives are affected, this forum is a place to come to vent & whine so that you can then move on & do something productive in the real world. I myself have posted on here when I was at my whit's end & ready to give in...it's great to have that.

Originally Posted by burnie329

Perhaps, but this is also directly due to the fact that they were allowed to proceed. Perhaps it was the site (highly doubtful) but more over the direct WORK from some people... Again thanks to those that do take action

I'm sorry, I firmly believe that in no way would THP have done those little clean up missions w/ out this site complaining & BEFORE they did, there were several clean ups arranged & done by the homeowners themselves...again, how much money & effort do you put in to fixing other people's area's or mistakes in this economy when your job is on the line?

Originally Posted by burnie329

Agreed that as individuals some of us are stuck... my point is that as a group of action taking people, and a single formal way, all have money to contribute (HOA Escrows etc) if focused on the direct problems, and understanding what is responsible by each party. HOA things have nothing to do with THP legally! THP is only responsible for what they have not completed. The townships own small portions... overall it takes time... it has been what less than a year? Some bankruptcy hearings take Years to even get where these are today... nothign will happen quick... nothing will happen without action... and that is part of the US legal system...

Agreed, that this will take time, but as someone who was pregnant & out of a home & living w/ in laws...it's not easy to sit back & wait...it make take years, but THP has not been willing to give ANYTHING to ease our pain...a return call to some of these people is all that's needed...other's just want out...others want a simple question answered...just posting crap on the website once every month or so is NOT "maintaining good customer service"

Originally Posted by burnie329

This is exactly my point of being an educated consumer. If you didn't read it, or have a seperate party read it, or your real estate agent didn't tell you it isn't smart to have a different title company do the insurance... or whatever, you should have become educated before making a decision. My same complaint goes to mortage things etc... not just home buying..

I am in the construction field & watched my in laws have a house built by another contractor...I did my research & asked around the industry - there was NO ONE telling me anything bad...so why wouldn't I trust in my contract...again, I was lucky that my agent knew that the $ had to go in to escrow...in NJ it's law & a commonly known one...from what I understand, PA has some confusing verbage about it.

Originally Posted by burnie329

I do not have children. And I understand the concern here... In terms of weeds, cut them down... it doesn't take time... just do it if you are that concerned. In terms of houses being built... sorry but that happens all the time in new construction... perhaps better eduction of the children is needed. What would you do if they were still building good houses? How would you stop them then?

I agree, but Weeds not on your property & in an entire field...how much responsibility is someone supposed to take? & you're right that construction will be there...but houses that sit abandoned does not...& no matter what you teach a child..they WILL go & do something you tell them not to do.

Originally Posted by burnie329

People are hiding, or rather trying to not take the adult approach... go to your neighbors and talk... face to face... if you have a complaint... put your name and address... Agreed we are all innocent... but would also say some are ignorant to the real world, were uneducated in their approaches to the situation, and at least in Coddington View primarly people not willing to take action to get results.

I disagree here...there may be some that do not take action...the the majority of the website's contributors have (like myself) tried every avenue they can think of to get results...again...if you were here from day 1 & read the old posts then you would see that....names, numbers, contacts, adressses, meeting dates, ideas...all given & used. Like you said earlier...it takes time to see results

[administrator]

Why, after all the accusations and questions, primarily concerned with people being real (for lack of a better word), why choose a name conflicting with your own?

Who's "burnie"?

[THProwler]

Admin,

Golden Rule: "Don't feed the Trolls"!!!!

[burnie329]

So, with out you personally knowing the steps that the people on here have taken off this site, what are the "necessary steps"? You don't know if these things you suggest have been started unless you yourself knock on doors.

You are correct, and please remember that this was posted to the Coddington View section. Within this community I am pretty familiar with all of the actions that have/haven't been started. I am aware of what people are doing as i have tried to influence the communities direct via meetings, letters, and as part of the now defunct group that was trying to help. I talk to most of my neighbors, and have insight and communications with most of the organizations we are talking about being involved.

The only reason I am "Free" is that the banks/THP

I am glad you are free. However, please do not assume that the issue of a new neighborhood not starting is just a THP issue. This is a risk taken by anyone planning to purchase a new home in a community with ground that hasn't been broken yet. I am glad you made out and am happy that things worked out for you for the most part. Does it suck, sure, but it is an assumed risk when doing this.

So, while we are trying to change laws...and if you research this site, you will see posts about petitioning your legislature to change laws....we are to what, sit w/ our thumbs up our butts & accept nothing being done?

Exactly my point... no don't sit on your ass.... but complaining on a forum about people not following HOA rules, or not getting something that isn't documented in your agreement, or not realizing that moeny will need to be spent to protect what rights we do have... isn;t accomplishing anything! Some are doing good work (Admin, and a few others providing good information to keep all informed) but most are not... at least not in the Coddington View area (again where the post is created).

I'm sorry, I firmly believe that in no way would THP have done those little clean up missions w/ out this site complaining & BEFORE they did, there were several clean ups arranged & done by the homeowners themselves..

Again if people are doing it, great.... it isn't happening in our communitee. And perhaps the site did, but to be clear it is no longer THP... it is a company run by the bankruptcy court...

[Quote]Agreed, that this will take time, but as someone who was pregnant & out of a home & living w/ in laws...[Quote]
I am sorry that the situation hit you at a bad time. Again, my comments are focused at the people in my communitee. And unfortunately if the people getting into the sale of homes etc weren't informed, they are in most worse shape. Again... you can't expect all companies to act correctly, and therefore need to be informed, and to protect yourself.

from what I understand, PA has some confusing verbage about it.

it isn't confusing from what i understand... again you got help, and were an informed consumer... thats why you got your money back. Many people on this site complain about not getting money, paying and not getting services, etc... again... most do nothing about it, or go about it the wrong way, and then will wonder why leins from the HOA are made, and collection companies called, etc.

I agree, but Weeds not on your property & in an entire field...how much responsibility is someone supposed to take?

As i see it, we all are responsible. We have a HOMEOWNERS association... this means that we are supposed to drive what happens in the community. At this time, it is hard, but not impossible to get things done. If we want to constantly pass responsibility for everything... what will ever get done?

...if you were here from day 1

I have been here for quite some time. However, again simply in the case of my community, there has been very little constructive input... Again i started this in my community area to address the people in my community, not all of the posters, not all of the contributors, and again not all of the people that have done great work! Thanks to those that have! Again... sorry for those that are doing things... but in my community most are not!

[burnie329]

Originally Posted by administrator

Why, after all the accusations and questions, primarily concerned with people being real (for lack of a better word), why choose a name conflicting with your own?

Who's "burnie"?

Agreed... had i known that people (AGAIN FROM CODDINGTON VIEW) were going to personally attack people within the community, and hide behind their screen names then i would have used my own information... however please see my profile... have included name and address... best i can do unless you can change my username without loosing posts etc...

[burnie329]

Originally Posted by THProwler

Admin,

Golden Rule: "Don't feed the Trolls"!!!!

THProwler... again to my point... great feedback! Thanks for getting involved and being constructive!

You don't live in my community (based on your pic and previous posts about Biltmore Estates) so i assume that you don't know the situation first hand... if i was addressing everyone i would have put it in the general forums... but instead i was a good little Troll and put it in my community to address those there. As you can see, the only people responding are the people that i wasn't addressing... either not in the community, or active posters with good information... so again sorry for offending those that are out there and care, and work, etc etc...